2021-05-24 Handwritten MinutesCITY OF OKEECHOBEE
FLAGLER PARK DESIGN REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MAY 24, 2021, REGULAR MEETING
HANDWRITTEN MINUTES BY BOBBIE .1ENKINS
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Chartier called the Flagler Park Design Review Advisory Committee meeting to
on Monday, May 24, 2021, at 3:06_ P.M. in the City Council Chambers, located at 55
Southeast 3rd Avenue, Room 200, Okeechobee, Florida.
II. ATTENDANCE
Chairperson Robbie Chartier
Vice-Chairperson Bert Culbreth
Regular Member Susanne Clemons
Regular Member Regina Hamrick
Regular Member Kathy Scott
Regular Member Jennifer Tewksbury
Regular Member Denise Whitehead
Alternate Member Gregg Maynard
Alternate Member Bob Burdge
PRESENT ABSENT
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Quorum has been established by attendance.
City Administrator Marcos MontesDeOca _x
Deputy City Clerk Bobbie Jenkins _x_
Executive Assistant Robin Brock x
Administrative Secretary Jacob Smith _x
Chairperson Chartier moved Alternate Board Member Burdge
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to voting
Chairperson Chartier , Vice-Chairperson Culbreth , Members Clemons-Absent,
Hamrick , Scott , Tewksbury Whitehead-Absent. Motion Carried/Denied.
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AGENDA AND PUBLIC COMMENTS
A. Motion to adopt agenda.
MOTION: KS
SECOND: RH
Chairperson Chartier , Vice-Chairperson Culbreth , Members Clemons-Absent,
Hamrick , Scott , Tewksbury Whitehead-Absent, Burdge . Motion
Carried/Denied.
B. Public participation for items not on the agenda requires a comment form.
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Mrs. Courtney Moyett with QuitDoc Foundation presented and distributed information regarding
tobacco-free areas in the parks. I did not anticipate this much of a meeting. I pictured a table
of people. I did not come with my 3 minute speech but thanks for getting me in last minute.
notice. I am the manager of the tobacco free partnership of Okeechobee county. One of the
things that I was speaking to the City about is an ongoing about tobacco free parks. MDO
supported my initiative but just a matter of all moving parts. Met again last week and
recommended I come to you guys. I do have some handouts. [info distributed]. Want to give
you enough info to make an inform decision. Working diligently on making the parks a more
beautiful area. Piggyback on initiative, why don't we clean up the tobacco litter. Having a
tobacco free park, pretty common thing, outside enjoying clean air, shouldn't be subjected to
second hand smoke. The litter is the biggest problem. Poses environmental concerns, even
though they have street cleaning equipment, doesn't have appropriate screens to pickup
cigarette butts. Was required to do a project last year that was focused on tobacco litter. City
fared better than the County. However, its 2021 and its not something that needs to be there
anymore. Provide you with examples. One thing that prohibits tobacco free parks, preemption
clause went in 2005, outdated speaks more to beaches rather than parks. This map is from
2018 report 34 counties that have adopted tobacco free parks and beaches, 5 have adopted
resolutions. This is DOH most recent information. Preemption is not a big deal, one person
challenged about tobacco free beaches in Sarasota county. Siesta Key was voted #1 beach.
Sum it up, consider a tobacco free parks initiative. Resolution, ordinance, or a law. Recommend
a resolution. A lot of people don't want to use code enforcement or law enforcement to enforce
the policy. About 83% of public health issues is taken care of by signage. Examples provided
in packet distributed. 95% of people do not know law. Different ways counties and towns can
get by preemption laws. This needs to be done in Okeechobee County.
RC-any committee member have comments
JT-thank you, I would hope that any signage could go thru the plan for cohesiveness. Make a
motion to move forward
RC-make a recommendation to city for tobacco free parks. Bring back on the next agenda
BC-enforcement
CM-83% of signage enforces, write a resolution that was just a signage policy, put them up
wherever you feel necessary, most appropriate spot. In most normal communities, peer to peer
communication is best enforcement. That's really my idea of enforcement. That's what a lot of
local communities do, not perfect but better than nothing.
RC-parkland's ordinance states may, its not a shall. At least its an ordinance and its there and
tobacco free.
CM-ordinance is fine, but reso is a beginning step. Health and wellness.
KS-this would be our recommendation to the City. I think most people don't. Don't we do it at
the County Parks.
RC-its meh
CM-it usually works itself out.
Consensus of the committee to bring it back for a vote for recommendation to the Council.
IV. MINUTES
A. Approve the March 29, 2021 minutes.
MOTION: JT
SECOND: KS
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Chairperson Chartier , Vice-Chairperson Culbreth , Members Clemons-Absent,
Hamrick , Scott , Tewksbury Whitehead-Absent, Burdge . Motion
Carried/Denied.
V. NEW BUSINESS
A. Discuss the conceptual plan of the Cattle Drive Sculpture Park presented by
Landscape Architect Tammy Cook-Weedon with Calvin, Giordano & Associates.
[a copy of the presentation will be emailed to me]
Tammy-it says I'll be presenting but Gianno Feoli and Dominic Mack will be presenting.
GF-super excited to share the ideas we have for the parks. 115 slides to share with you.go thru
them quickly. I also teach and very habitual for speaking 4 to 5 hours straight. 4 main points to
speak on, Who are we, scope of work and schedule, progress :cattleman's square, progress
visioning master plan. Focus on cattleman's square. WE are a full firm multi-disciplinary firm.
Our crews have been in town already. Full team of staff that's working on this project and
dedicated to making this a spectacular park. The collection of linear park spaces is so unique
that needs investment. Well versed in creating a great public space. True to your identity and
true to the character of this location. Scop of Work: two main tasks, vision master plan for the
park system and the frontage of the commercial establishments, synergy of all that to make
that work, economic drivres that are far removed from traffic. Detailed site design for full
construction of cattlemens square. Survey crews have been out there. Generally conceptual
plans are done sort of on a trace of an area, very loose, but because of the schedule done
specific as possible. Completed tree evaluation process, now reviewing so we can start to
identify issues. Last time tammy was here, shared process diagram, we are consolidating
conceptual and schematic into one, once get feedback, fine tune different components. Survey
85% field work completed, office cad drafting done, once that's done, we will start working on
the master plan in earnest. Focus today on cattlemens square.
On-going working coordination: review of original artist rendition, coordination with arts &
culture alliance the and the city of oekechobee, coordination with artist through the arts and
culture alliance, coordination about donor elements. Level of detail is so critical and rich. We
did have a meeting at OKMS facility earlier this month. Park consists of 10 sculptures,
materiality selections: patina, stone and plaques for donor markers, review of artist progress,
goal of completion of sculpture delivery last quarter of 2021, installation near 2021. Talked a
lot about ADA compliance, vegetation, wanted to have a panoramic view of everything. Critical
thing for us that was interesting is the sculpture of the cowboy standing up against the fence,
want to capture that and make truly essence of overall parks. Funding and fundraising
components for markers and bricks. Make sure bricks are located centrally and felt cohesively
with the overall park. The consensus from the last meeting with OKMS was to have individuals
walk around the sculpture not through the sculpture. Want the walkway lifted. We've gotten
tons of information regarding donors and components, info on installation of them, sculptures
set on a 6" tall plate anchored on a slab, where ethe sculptures are has to have a hardscape
material. Artist gave feedback of placement. Red rectangle was a desire for ranch fencing
facing WS Park Street for entrance. Most critically able to coordinate with artist for site line of
the cowboy standing at the fence. That's the hinge point for the entire movement of the
sculpture pieces location. I'm going to tell you how we came about from what I'm going to show
you. Wonderful learning process: County is #1 in state in cattle producing. We looked at how
nature is portrayed in different circumstances, generally trying to portray history uses dioramas.
See large screen TV's, that kind of experience was remote and disconnected. We don't want
to do that, it separates individual from the thing that establishes the nature of the activity. Really
want to put the people in the site and give them an opportunity to capture the essence of the
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overall experience. Looked at how artist represent cattle. Landscape, cowboy, and cattle. This
idea of the solitude of the cowboy moving through the day to day passage of the cattle.
Interesting quiet powerful experience. Relationship between the cattleman and his dog. Then
we looked at the natural landscape, not Disney or palm beach but truly about Okeechobee and
the quality of landscape here. Tons of research with regards to the natural landscapes that
occur here. Stark, long horizontal line, punctured with vertical moments, with mostly sable
palms. As we started to understand how all these pieces come together, appreciate the quality
images provided. Never a static moment, landscape and movement is horizontal. Now jumping
into site. One of several different parcels, commercial on one side, mostly grassy areas and a
lot of heavy traffic along North Park Street. Desire for us is to use that and always make some
kind of activity. Doing this ahead of the master plan process, make sure continuity and
connectivity with all parks. Blocks have really wide right of ways, under utilized space,
minimized to make the connectivity of the parks easier, more attractive and inviting. One of the
things lost was the immersive component. Sculptures are a little closer together. The walkways
lead your eyes to things you don' want to see when you're visiting the park. The site has no
sense of spatial definition. If you look at the renderings it creates a square of trees, to capture
and close the space so that they feel like rooms. We looked at the issues of accessibility at the
intersections and its truly problematic. No crosswalks, difficult with people with ADA can move
through. Need to recognize these issues, pre-anticipate what it is that we are doing. Tons of
utilities that we have to deal with, because we sort of jump started the survey of that, we have
tangible data to address all those different components early on. Connectivity to the commercial
frontage is disconnected right now. Full parking on both sides creates a wall. Recognize that
there is a parking component for us, making small gestures to create the necessary linkages.
Part of that is the view from across the park. Monoculture of oak trees, crown raise them, get
the shade, and the establishments will still be visible. Will tell you we have great renderings to
show you of the park, need to go back and recreate the trees but the intent is this.
Design objectives: express authenticity in design, capture the essence of the sculptor's story,
capture the movement of the herding experience, create an immersive experience, address all
the existing conditio'ns: opportunities & constraints, provide viewing area, ADA access and
connectivity, various seating opportunities, locations for picnic tables, donor paver area,
locations for naming markers, educational signage opportunity, clearly-marked main entrance.
Coordinate with the artist. Overlayed the figurine on the map and started working on
positioning. What we considered was if we rotate it a little more, you kind of understood what
the cowboy was thinking, put the viewer in a sequence of the cowboy being the center focus.
Potentially swapping location of bull with the cow, so we can start to create a synergy between
the view, the bull, the head of the heard, and the cowboy on the horse. Triangulation is
everything. Sonny (leaning against fence, Pete on horse). We designed the location of where
sonny is going to be located so when the artist comes, there' flexibility. That relationship we
think captures that moment in time. We wanted to bring in the overall horizontal experience of
the landscape with the grassiness of the fields.
Came up with sketches. How do you look thru the park, how do you approach it as a driver to
make them want to come in, those ideas became really critical so we can generate an overall
design that encapsulated and hug the entire design. One of the things we recognized first and
foremost is the access to the park is the corners because of ADA,currently oak trees planted
at every corner, work yourself around the oak tree to have the access from the parks.
Unfortunately in this square, those are the largest oaks and we'd have to tear up sidewalks and
roadways to relocate them. What we are doing is gesture ideas of bulb outs. Its on 5t", they
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have a stop sign. It's so inset from the travel lane. Need to push the edge to define the travels
to have better safety. Looked at the main entrance. What we wanted to do is create a light
entrance experience. Generally when you do a ranch, every reference we found has the name
on top. Because of codes, we are locating the name lower. As your walking along Park Street,
feels open and welcoming. The square name is on a boulder on locally quarried rock, lighting
it. Make it contemporary, and manifest the horizontal mentality of keeping eyes low. As soon
as you walk in is the donor paver area. Shouldn't have to search for it, money people worked
hard for and dedicating their name to the park. We came up with a pavement design that could
accommodate them all and make easy
Fit 313 (4x8) pavers, sold 43; Fit 88 (8x8) pavers, 12 sold;
As you walk in, we played a hierarchy trick, kept Sonny on the fence in the center, anchors the
whole component. You get the framing of sonny looking at bull and cowboy. You get a 360
panoramic view. For seating we have these large boulders that we are thinking would be
indicative of the natural character. Can be slab cut, 18" tall, so that it becomes a place to sit or
stand. Give children opportunity to understand sonny's site line. Billboards, static component
with historical narrative (need guidance on it). Instead of having a front and back, read all sides
of it. Want to float this idea around you. Then we have the display of the sculpture area. Part
of what we wanted to do is make it part of viewing environment, but create it when you're in the
grassy area, creating ribbons of grass, emphasize horizontal movement across the field. Scale
of flagstone, 2x2, saw cut or concrete is too industrial and doesn't speak to the randomness of
how cows walk. 3 picnic benches in the park. Having picked the style of benches yet. 6 different
locations for people to sit. Donor pavers are going to be concrete, so the concrete we are using
is heavy salt finished concrete mimics pixelization. The bronze color of the sculptures and the
arch could be quartz and steel so it can have warm earthy feel to it. We don't want to make the
landscape too fussy, focus on the sculpture and experience.
Next steps for us: input info from slide here. Once we get feedback today, jump into lighting
design, create a different night time experience so people have a desire to come at night. Work
on markers and finalize planting design. Part of the master plan process,
RH-mentioned about the sidewalks, taken out of middle; how do you plan to accommodate
wheelchairs.
GF-all walkways around sculptures are concrete
Visioning Master Plan-generally our process is once survey and analysis is complete, generate
a design brief, we would run the objectives by you and get your buy-in, then marching orders.
Importance of master plan is e very great place has iconic public spaces and parks, the flagler
parks an opportunity to create a necklace of destinations, capitalize on its uniqueness, potential
to serve as an economic driver for the appeal to locals and visitors, family and business friendly,
a variety of activities, uses and destinations.
Cattlemen's square is regional beacon, visitors are as much a critical component as the
locals, when we have that conversation, we will talk about events. Example: we are working
on the most preeminent park in Miami beach, food and wine festival, arts festival. How do you
hide electrical, security, etc. Really spent a lot of time on the vision that was adopted. For us
the things that stood out the most, each one is themed, very rich component but unintended
consequence is it becomes a fragmented experience. One cohesive canvas to build
continuity in the design. Ease of flow is going to be a struggle, last thing you want is to filter
through parking to get to commercial establishments. We will be bringing all these issues to
you. Continuity of park to park. Concrete maintenance pads on center of blocks. Challenging
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things is that gives a message that its an appropriate crosswalk. Issue of seamlessness we
want to create. Drainage and infrastructure: still need to figure out what the drainage is.
Opportunities to minimize some of the pitch. When we start talking about streetscape design,
we can address drainage issues. Splitting electrical racks and circuits from street lights and
park lights. Puncture spaces with light to provide illumination to where its going to be most
essential. We are going to start making traffic engineering accommodations. It should be a
pedestrian friendly environment. Make safer crossing opportunities at each intersection. On
the western end of the commercial strip closest to city hall, make sure pitches are ADA
accessible, if not, private property owner must provide access adequately or the city fixes the
road. The edges on the southside are seamless, edge of the north side feel inviting. In terms
of furnishings, they are mismatched. Create a furnishing package that is cohesive to create a
unified character. Landscape is going to change from park to park. Predominant canopy is
the live oak. If I take off design hat and put on urban forester hat, one tree with live oak
disease you lose all of your canopy.
Took inventory on existing parks. The one thing I found interesting and moving, this was done
by the children. Generational investment in the butterfly garden. Settler's square central flag
cannot move. Create a central arrangement to work around so we don't end up with the
predictable circle. Our biggest challenge is going o be Veteran's square. Particularly there are
so many characters and identity, incredibly sensitive and revamp the memorial its self.
There's optical lighting peeling out, tripping hazard, cracked concrete, different dedicated
components that are positioned but want to build cohesiveness in the area. That is the front
door experience to the town. Clean modern feel of the veteran's memorial with the ramp and
stars, we're going to have to work a little bit with architectural theming.
Our scope area for the master plan is all the linear parks including city hall and the parking lot
to SW 7th including WS Park Street. We think doing that alone and not also looking at the
connectivity of the areas immediately to the south of that would be a mistake. Area to the
south is important component of the parks. Next steps for the master plan: finalize survey (2"a
week or 3rd week of June), commence visioning master plan process; one unified plan, parks
conceptual design, streetscape design & beautification, strategies of cohesiveness,
connectivity and safety, strategies for branding, strategies for sustainability, strategies to
support and catalyze the business.
KS-aerial of cattlemens: the walkways to the east and west, wide walkways that will have
picnic areas
GF-yes, purposely opening them up to create a wider perspective to commercial edge.
KS-are there any walkways around the sculptures?
GF-no, donors wanted circle with sculptures in middle
KS-history plaques are going to be read on the grass. Me going to a park or hotel, you say
people can go on the grass,
GF-conceptually, not having walkways, you have to make the choice to immerse yourself in
the art. Compelling move
Tammy-ranchers liked the idea of having sculptures in grass
KS-flagstone.
GF-toying with ideas of not grouting them, dilutes the moment of the hardscape.
KS-authenticity, to me flagstone would not be something authentic. Look at brochures of
sculptures. Soil cement with hoof prints.
GF-we can control the size of flagstone
JT-think because it's a digital rendering, make more natural than that. Hard to show on this
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RH-I lived on a ranch, no flagstone or concrete, just grass and dirt.
KS-concrete that looks like grass with hoof prints.
GF-concrete can be mixed with soil and put impressions into the concrete. Do it very easily is
swapping out the material. We have to have a hardscape because of the steel support being
exposed. It will rot. We have to have hardscape. We can do stabilized soil/dirt. Compact the
dirt, spray a powder, wet it, additional layer of soil, feels like your walking on
RC-continuity and cohesiveness, flagstone work through all parks, concrete don't think we're
thinking all the way through.
GF-whatever material choices we make here are going to set the stage for all parks.
KS-just under the cows .
RH-not going to be a Seminole park, you bet that's going to be dirt.
KS-under the cows doesn't have to have flagstone
BC-like the grass, handicap accessibility issues not having pads by the cattle.
GF-there could be. If we are going to put donor markers right next to the sculptures with the
intent of being read, then we will have to put walkways to them.
KS-theres no way to move some of the walkways closer.
GF-don't want to increase the amount of impervious that affects drainage.
RC-somewhat see the cattle on south side of park, but north side is further from the
sculptures.
BC-intention of having markers placed by sculptures with brand?
MB-couldn't hear her
RH-where are the donor bricks going to be.
KS-theres also going to be bricks and plaques with those who sponsor a sculpture.
GF-if we are putting those right next to the sculptures, we have to have a walkway.
BC-can you have a place with everything that's not right next to sculpture.
GF-it will be confusing. Plus we're going to have to figure
JT-could you get away with ADA with putting turf.
GF-when you put it right next to grass, it looks plastic.
JT-the way you have rearrange the cattle a little bit, is that authentic to the donors
GF-everything here has been accepted by the donors, with the exception of the swap of bull
and cow.
RC-where are the billboards going to be?
KS-educational kiosk
BC-so the kiosk will be educational to that specific park? Continuity to all other parks.
GF-can't make that decision until we get into the design package.
KS-all the green space on the North side, that's all grass??
GF-all shrub planting, in the future if you need to grow, it could naturally go into that area.
Also don't want to get too close to the roadway. So corralling that experience and having it
face inward.
KS-kind of the walkway design entrances from the east and west, considering continuity
portion of the rest of the parks.
GF-don't want to stack the design from park to park. Think about the flow of people, sort of
move them from park to park easily.
BC-landscaping, will the landscaping bordering 70 provide safety?
GF-subtle moves the create pique of interest. You need 300 linear feet of vegetation to
provide sound buffer.
KS-don't want to block their view
GF-here's what happens, street scapes the more obstacles you put between the
establishments and viewing planes, establishments want larger signs, adopting sign
ordinance for the corridor
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BB-angle parking currently in design, find that acceptable? Parked their for the first time, hard
to get out. Find that angle parking to be very dangerous.
GF-have to deal with that's why we expanded the focus area. Parking is essential for the
survival of economic businesses. Other areas for long-term parking versus short term
parking. Whenever there's a F250 or bigger parked there, the tail of the bed sticks out into
the travel lane, it's a major accident waiting to happen. Park space should be more important
then accommodate parking.
JT-I think we have the perception of limited parking, but in reality we have a lot of parking. I
walked 4 blocks in another town to get where I want.
GF-Patrons want to get straight to the business, and get out. Walking is part of the overall
experience.
KS-major portion of parking issues is festivals and parades.
RH left the meeting at 4:49 PM
BC-explain large right of way
GF-continuity of pedestrian movement, you want to shorten the edges so it doesn't
BC-proposed to enlarge the parks
GF-yes, it will slow the cars down as they're moving between the parks. In Miami beach as
you walk from block to block, the landscape gets really dense.
JT-not the most pedestrian friendly community
JT-how do you bridge city hall park with the other parks
GF-we have tons of ideas. Solutions that could include everything from raising the road,
critical component is having to deal the FDOT.
JT-these businesses are left out because access is difficult.
GF-441 is going to be quite possibly the one seamlessness that we're not going to be able to
achieve. Have to do much more innovative solutions for that, perceptive
RC-make City Hall, Park and PD one plaza.
BB-question about two way traffic between parks on avenues, talk about one way them,
expand the parks themselves, just one way them and be able to use the other part for the
parks.
GF_100% on table, when you change the street from two-way to one-way, we don't have the
data in our scope for traffic engineering, certainly make suggestions. We don't think the
approach to the master plan is to give you a single solution, but multiple ones. Provides
flexibility.
BC-recommending speed bumps
GF-traffic engineering things
RC-all the utilities, so in this park I don't see poles for lighting. We didn't get into lighting for
this park.
GF_we haven't designed it yet. Wanted to make sure you were ok with what we're doing to
start the design of that.
RC-want to be sure they're hidden. Pasture scene on it that blends in and make sense,
blending them with the scene.
GF-one of the things working against the utilities is the placement.
KS-irrigation on this park
GF-sod is going to be such an important material. Appreciate your indulgence
RC-looks realy nice
MDO-we're working on electrical now. Tasked public works to put things in cabinets. The
other item is where we go from here. Doing a workshop, is that something you guys want to
do before they go into the next stage.
RC-we will discuss this on the next item.
GF-today, community
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MDO-this one is going to be the first one.
RC-for the cattle park to move on, open house environment for public input
GF-we can create an art exhibit of this and we can be here to answer questions. What's great
about the open house, if you set it for a 3 hour window, they can come in at their leisure.
Recommend that system
Design for cattlemens square
No open house for cattlemen's square.
GF-we need to have the conversation with you about the specifics of design. Put together a
schedule with contingent upon master plan schedule
MDO-is the committee ok sending a recommendation now, or finish
RC-we need to finish
BC-committee is in favor so far of the design process still waiting on elements
JT-hard to make a recommendation without everything
GF-recommend doing a full package
RC_when do you have it complete
Lighting and cost estimates can be done by June 21 St Ball park number. Go thru the lighting
design process but doesn't include electrical engineering.
B. Discuss upcoming meeting schedule.
RC-add committee comments underneath new business for next agenda.
VI. The meeting was adjourned at 516 P.M.
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CITY OF OKEECHOBEE
FLAGLER PARK DESIGN REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MAY 24, 2021, REGULAR MEETING
HANDWRITTEN MINUTES BY .lACOB SMITH
I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairperson Chartier called the Flagler Park Design Review Advisory Committee meeting to
on Monday, May 24, 2021, at _3:05 P.M. in the City Council Chambers, located at 55
Southeast 3rd Avenue, Room 200, Okeechobee, Florida.
II. ATTENDANCE
Chairperson Robbie Chartier
Vice-Chairperson Bert Culbreth
Regular Member Susanne Clemons
Regular Member Regina Hamrick
Regular Member Kathy Scott
Regular Member Jennifer Tewksbury
Regular Member Denise Whitehead
Alternate Member Gregg Maynard
Alternate Member Bob Burdge
City Attorney John Fumero
City Administrator Marcos MontesDeOca
Deputy City Clerk Bobbie Jenkins
Executive Assistant Robin Brock
Administrative Secretary Jacob Smith
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Chairperson Chartier moved Alternate Board Member Burdge to voting position.
Chairperson Chartier , Vice-Chairperson Culbreth , Members Clemons ,
Hamrick , Scott , Tewksbury Whitehead . Motion Carried/Denied.
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AGENDA AND PUBLIC COMMENTS
A. Motion to adopt agenda.
MOTION: scott
SECOND: hamrick
Chairperson Chartier , Vice-Chairperson Culbreth , Members Clemons ,
Hamrick , Scott , Tewksbury Whitehead . Motion Carried/Denied.
B. Public participation for items not on the agenda requires a comment form.
Courtney Moyett: I did not expect a meeting so I did not come with a full on speech. Thanks for
getting me in last notice. Work for QuitDoc foundation we run the tobacco quit foundation for
Okeechobee. Been speaking to City about tobacco free parks initiative. A lot of moving parts.
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MDO recommended I come to you guys so here I am. I have some handouts for everyone.
Wanted enough info to make informed decision. Goes without saying you have been working
diligently on making parks a nice area. Want to piggyback on them and clean up tobacco litter.
Have tobacco free park is pretty common. Don't want to be subjected to secondhand smoke in
a clean air park. Playgrounds near smoking not nice to be at. Litter is a very big concern with
tobacco as well. Street cleaner usually can't pick up litter as small as cig bud. Required to do
project specifically on tobacco litter. City fared better than County. Provided some examples.
One thing that prevents these parks is a pre-emption for beaches and government. Really
applies more to beaches than parks. This is an old law. Report says 34 counties have adopted
tobacco free parks and beaches in Florida. This is most recent info. Preemption is not a big
deal and doesn't get sued only one has challenged it because it was made an actual law
instead of a resolution. Summary consider tobacco free parks initiative, Can do Ord or law.
Two of the most recent examples that are local. 1 St is a picture of actual signage in Stuart. They
added except whereas preempted by state law. Provided entire code in case legal wanted to
use it. Most important is on second page in red. Second example is Martin County they have a
county wide ordinance enforceable by law and fines and they put tobacco free and quoted
Florida littler law on bottom of their signage. Third example Parkland from 2005 shows you
different way municipalities get by preemption laws.
RC-any comments?
JT-completely agree I would hope signage can go through cohesive with design
RC-could bring before the council
BC-wondering about enforcement
CM-done a lot of research. Don't want to use anyone who is paid to enforce. 83% of signage
enforces it. I would write a resolution signage policy and put signs wherever deem necessary
and additionally peer to peer communication is best method of enforcement. That's my idea of
enforcement that's what local communities do.
RC- parklands says officer may issue a citation but it doesn't say must so they don't have to.
CM- Baby steps hey this is an end goal
KS- so this would be our recommendation for the council. Do they do this at the ball fields?
RC-ish
KS-sometimes it the people around that are looking at them
CM-usually works itself out. Better than nothing even if 50% les
RGConsensus to bring it to council
IV. MINUTES
A. Approve the March 29, 2021 minutes.
MOTION: JT
SECOND: KS
Chairperson Chartier , Vice-Chairperson Culbreth , Members Clemons ,
Hamrick , Scott , Tewksbury Whitehead . Motion Carried/Denied.
V. NEW BUSINESS
A. Discuss the conceptual plan of the Cattle Drive Sculpture Park presented by
Landscape Architect Tammy Cook-Weedon with Calvin, Giordano & Associates.
TCW-for record I wanted to say my designers will be presenting not myself.
Gianni — super excited about sharing with you the ideas for the park. I will tell you we have
115 slide to share but we will go quickly. I also teach and I will not teach for 4-5 hrs. 4 main
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topics really quickly. Who we are, scope schedule, deep dive into cattlemen's, update on
master plan. Goal is to get consensus and move forward with cattlemen's. We are a full firm
multidisciplinary you've seen our crews like worker ants spreading throughout. You've met
Tammy and Dominic but we have a full team working on this to make not a great but a
spectacular park. Your space is so unique it merits the right time and effort. We are well
versed in public spaces. Want to make true to your character and identity.
Scope of work 2 main tasks. Vision master plan for park system ensuring we look at all the
different issues that make that work including visitors as well as business. Second is detailed
site design for construction for the cattlemen's square. We've already had them expediting
focus on cattlemen's parcel. Generally conceptual plans are done loose but we want to do
specific as possible. We are now reviewing report as a design team to identify liability issues
to specialty pruning. Last time Tammy shared process diagram. Because of expedited
process we are combining some elements. Survey is in progress is about 85% complete. Still
need CAD draftings. Once complete master plans tarts which we want to share. Cattlemen's
square we've had a wonderful collaboration with Arts and Culture Alliance. Making sure
nuances of the design are addressed. Would have never recognized a female cow would
need an udder. I think that detail is very rich and love that. We had a meeting earlier this
month. The park will consist of 10 sculptures that are bronze. Still some conversation about
the materials. Once that is complete we can finalize materiality. Also markers and donors with
plaques. Goal for completion of art components I las quarter 2021. A lot of concerns of
accessibility and ADA. We talked about experience and predominant donors wanted a
panoramic view of the whole sculpture as a whole composition wise. Critical thing for us was
there was a sculpture of cowboy against a fence moment of time in his life watching a herd
move by. Wanted to capture that as the essence of the park. Some fundraising elements
included donor bricks an others wanted it cohesive but also centrally located in park.
Consensus was to have individual walk around sculpture and not through it. Wave gotten
tons of info on donor components and installation of them Sculptures on 6ft tall plat anchored
to slab. Sculptures with have hardscape material. Red rectangle was main entrance centered
on park facing park street signifying the entrance. Able to coordinate on sight line of the
cowboy. Indulge me in design approach so you can understand.
This was a wonderful learning experience. Okee is #1 county in state for cattle farming.
Integral for identity of project. We looked at how is nature portrayed in different
circumstances. Museums use dioramas you see these scenes you are on one side looking ai
other. This was remote and disconnected we do not want to do that. That separates
individual from the immersiveness of the condition. We want to put the people in the site give
them the opportunity to visually separate from that and capture the essence. We looked at
how artists do cattlemen. Its always landscape, cattle and lone cowboy. Representative of lot
of images we see. We thought that was interesting and we wanted to capture that.
Relationships between cattle and dogs and cowboys. We looked at natural landscape. We
don't want Disney or palm beach we want true Okeechobee. Tons of research regards to
natural landscapes here and we found it is very stark. Long horizontal lines with sabal palms.
This was probably one of those most compelling images we could find. We started to
understand and appreciate kind of quality these images would give us. Striking thing about
this is no static moment. Landscape and movement is horizontal and that it critical for what
we want to capture. We have commercial parcel on one side and mostly grassy areas. A lot
of heavy traffic on northern end. Desire is for us to use the horizontal so there is always
connectivity. We are doing this ahead of master plan but we want to maintain connectivity
between the parks. A lot of parks have odd right of ways that could be utilized. Our
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impressions were the axial walkways create a perspective that leads eyes to corners which
you don't want t see. While site is horizontal it has no spatial recognition. Adopted plan
created square around areas so they feel like rooms. Looked at accessibility issues at
intersections. Moments with no crosswalks people with ADA would have issues moving
through. Need to recognize those issues so when moving forward we can preanticipate what
we need to do. Tons of utilities we need to deal with. Electrical rocks, guide wires, telephone
wires. We jumpstarted survey of that to design around those pieces, so they are not eyesore.
Parking on both sides creates a wall. That is going to be an important component to create
linkages between parks. Part of issues is visibility across parks. You have a monoculture of
oak trees which is good. If you raise them you can still see signage from businesses. Picture
on right shows example. We have renderings to show you but the intent is this. We want to
use local landscape materials and locally imported materials and materials true to character
and identity. We want to make homage in a respectful way. Capture the movement we talked
about and create immersive experience and hit series of program elements. LEFT ROOM RH
What were suggesting is have chat with artist and swap location of bull with cow behind bull
and create synergy between viewer the bull head of herd and the cowboy on horse. In art and
sculpture triangulation is everything. We did not think the narrative of Sonny looking at a bull
or cow alone made sense. We designed location of where sonny is located so that it can
work either way. We wanted to then bring in horizontal nature of fields. This accentuates
tension between lone cowboy with herd and the lone cowboy viewing the experience. From
Sonny's perspective this is what you would see. That was sculpture when we needed to
create a park. This image is compelling but does not make a park. We wanted to create
environment that feels more like park. Thought about view lines and where best place is the
view. Want to give driver a reason to stop. Because of ADA issues entrances will always be
at corner In order to go to next block you have to go around oak trees. We can't relocate
these trees because of how close to road. We already talked about sculpture locations. We
wanted to create entrance experience that wasn't heavy. Ranch entrances always have
name up top but that would be very heavy component. Should feel very welcome and open.
Name of park will be on rock and lowered with illumination. Want to make contemporary and
enforce horizontality. First thing you'll see is donor paver area so you should not have to
search for it. That should be part of entrance. In paver area we can fit 313 4x8s, 88 8x8s, 40
12x12s . For seating we have large boulders which can be slab cut so they are easy and
comfortable to sit on.
Materiality we know donor pavers and concrete and textured, recommend heavy salt finished
concrete. Together with flagstone and bronze color of structures and worn looking feel to arch
over entrance. Want to limit shrubbery and keep mostly grasses, sabal palms and oak trees.
Next steps need to finalize touches with sculpture artists. Once we get feedback get into
lighting designs. Want to create different nighttime experience. Need to work on markers and
finalizing planting design. Furniture palette and ?????.
RH-mentioned the sidewalks taken out. How will you accommodate handicaps?
??- all the areas we provide will be flush and accessible
Visioning Master Plan is an update where we are right now. Once surveys and analysis is
done we will form design brief. We run objectives by you on design brief and then we have
orders for ideas we can come up with. The sequencing of these spaces are a true gem. In my
20 yrs of experience I've never seen something like this. The ability to capitalize on this is
important element. We don't want people to come for one square. We want them to spend a
few hours at each square and spend money. This is important for locals and visitors. We
want the cattlemen square to bring others from other counties as a beacon for cattlemen
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designs. As example we are working on preeminent park in Miami Beach. They food and
wine festival and arts festival. How to provide electrical and security. We spent a lot of time
understanding the vision that was adopted. This notion of theme stood out. The unintended
consequence of bad design is fragmentation. One cohesive canvas and one cohesive design.
Ease of flow needs to happen. Parking is critical but you don't want people to filter through
parking to get to your business. Think now about crosswalks and sidewalk space. Issues and
constraints — Continuity park to park, concrete maintenance paths are challenging for
pedestrians because looks like a crosswalk. Issue of seamlessness we want to create.
Drainage and infrastructure. Opportunities to minimized inclines and pitch that currently exist.
Feels like hiking uphill to business right now. Electrical racks and circuits operate same
electrical as street lights. Interesting all the lights are on straight line like landing strip. Want
to provide illumination where essential not straight lines. Existing conditions for ADA
accessibility and connectivity constraints. Don't want people racing down park St. Should be
pedestrian focused area. Community sidewalks right of way pitch is questionable if it is ADA
accessible. How the edge of parks are treated. Want edge of south side seamless with parks.
Furnishings are a mishmash. Different benches in same space. Character and identity should
be matchings. Landscape changes park to park depending on quality. Right now predominant
is live oak. Huge red flag. One live oak disease could kill entire canopy. Veterans Park will
be one of biggest hurdles. So many different expressions in same park. Peeling light and
cracking concrete. Different dedicated components that don't work for us. Next Master Plan
step is finalize survey. Should be done end of second week beginning of third week in June.
One that's done we can really move forward. Cohesiveness, Branding, sustainability, support
businesses.
KS- aerial of cattlemen's, Walkways to east and west are those wide?
G-These sweep towards commercial establishment
KS-any walkways how far away are they to sculpture pieces. Do any go around sculpture?
G-no walkways only grass.
KS-people walking on the grass? G-Yes
KS-we would want people visiting to be able to read and feel comfortable
G-conceptually not having walkway is visitor makes choice to immerse themselves in it. But
walkways are easily possible
KS-I would recommend authenticity. To me, flagstone would not be on a ranch. RH-no it
wouldn't KS-concrete with hoof marks maybe
JT-maybe digitally the flagstone isn't natural looking
KS-grass was going to be maintenance nightmare. Concrete that looks like dirt would be
nice.
BC-stamped concrete? MDO-stained concrete
G-must have some sort of hardscape so support beam doesn't rot. Could do stabilize dirt or
dirt mixed with concrete
RC-one other thought on continuity. Could work same material through rest of parks.
G-critical point because materials here will set tone for the rest of the parks.
KS-just issue with flagstone under the cows, other walkways would be cool
BC-is there any handicap accessibility issues with no path around cow
G-there could be
RC-they couldn't get as close
KS-there's no way to move some of the walkways closer
G-we don't want to increase stuff so we need drainage
BC-is the intention to have pavers near sculpture
KS-those could be put around other walkways. Some of those we may want to put around
other cattle.
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G-if we are putting those we will need ADA accessibility
BC-can you make plaque showing who everybody is'
G-becomes confusing to match info to the pieces.
BC-no turf in this right it is all grass?
G- it is sod so real grass
G-turf by itself fools the eye but next to real grass it looks plastic
JT-the way you rearranged it is that authentic to donors' requests
G-Everything here has been approved by the donors.
RC-where are billboards?
BC-kiosk will be educational one kiosk per park
G-in rendering we used furnishings package will let us make actual decision on that element
KS-we want picnic spaces for people. In future is there space for picnics areas
G-that areas is shrubbery, but we could change things in future. Roads with loud trucks can
create bad experience
KS-walkways design is that what you're considering for future parks?
G-not per se we don't want to stack designs on the parks like it is now
BC-on landscaping will this provide some protections sound buffer for hwy 70.
G-yes, the edge along 70 is a black edge because we are doing subtle moves to make peak
of interest along road. You need 300ft of foliage to create sound attenuation.
BC-there will be something at some level
TCW-native vegetation but not blocking
KS-don't want to block the view of the cattle drive
G-every time we do urban design the more obstacles you put the louder the cries are for
bigger signage. Unintended consequence of visual clutter. Master plan will have ordinance of
signage controls for that corridor. Without impacting first amendment rights we want to
prevent visual clutter.
BB-angle of parking in your design. Is that acceptable? I tried to park and its dangerous. I find
that parking to be very dangerous.
G-We expanded our study area for this reason. Parking is essential for the businesses.
Maybe limit streetscape to short term parking and have long term parking elsewhere. Trucks
hanging out is a dangerous obstacle. We believe park space should be more important and
accommodate cars later.
JT-perception we have limited parking here but we really don't. walked 4 blocks to eat
somewhere out of town just the other day
G-right now people want to go straight to restaurant and leave. When you create overall
experience, it can be different.
KS-major portion of these issues is the parades and other festivals. If we could create other
areas for
RH LEFT AT 4:50
BC- propose to enlarge the parks?
G-yes it will slow the cars down as they move through the parks.
JT-not a pedestrian friendly community. How do you connect city hall park to the rest?
G-we still don't know yet. Lots of great solutions that could include raising the road, placing
bollards done in Cityplace and clematis street really make pedestrian experience. Critical
component is the interface with the intersections.
RC-how do we take what's happenings across the street and incorporate with them
G- may not be able to achieve seamlessness with that because of size of road of way and
busy highway. May need to do
RC-make city hall and park one plaza
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G-everyone joked about bridge but we have done this. We created a park in the sky with
elevators that accommodated bicycles and strollers large capacity so it felt like a continuation
of the park.
BB-two way traffic between the parks. Is there any thought about one way them and use
other park.
G-that's 100% on the table but that starts impacting traffic engineering and we don't have the
data in our scope to calculate that
BC-will you recommend speed bumps and other
TCW-traffic engineer has to do study
RC-haven't talked about utilities. We have no lighting
G-still not designed yet, wanted to be sure others was ok before moving forward. Some have
wrapped the electrical boxes and that can be really good or really bad
RC-they could have pasture scene on them and make sense so don't have that issue
G-one thing working against utilities is they were placed easiest place to use or maintain
them and not a good design perspective
KS-irrigation a issue here as well no irrigation
G-sod is a particular issue here without irrigation
MDO-working on electrical now PW is putting into cabinets. Other item where we go from
here. A workshop before we got it here are we still getting that buy in from community?
Before we go much further.
RC-I know we were discussing schedule. That workshop is next thing to set up
MDO-community buy in final though on FPDRAC then recommendation to Council
KS- will you have master plan done by then
G-we have long way to go on master plan
RC-so we want a workshop for public input
G-we could make art exhibit for public to view and we can speak to public. Set a window of
time so they could come in when they are able.
RC- calendar
JT how do we brand it so people will show up tell people it is further along
MDO-I think because this is cattlemen's park this should be easier
G-buy bricks as part of donor table
KS-once its been advertised as master plan for cattlemen's park
G-not master plan, design for cattlemen's park
JT-I know questions people will ask
RC- we need to pic a date can we do that?
G-we cannot wait till fall
JT-June would be better than July/aug
KS-the ones with interest will be there. Not going to have a whole lot of community
involvement
JT-is the plan to do open house for every park?
G-not in our scope
RC-should we do an open house
MDO- we had discussed it
RC-consensus we will not do an open house and will wait until the master plan
G-we could talk about bigger issues that are more important. More about how does it impact
them
TCW-when it appropriate time for the open house?
G- we need a schedule
MDO-is committee okay to take some of this to council now? Or do you want additional stuff?
RC-I would think we'd want to finish
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BC-my perspective the committee is in favor so far as the process of the design
B. Discuss upcoming meeting schedule.
RC-21 St of June works for me
JT-21 St works for me
G-we can make 21 St work for us. We an give you ballpark number of lighting design process
but that doesn't include electrical engineering we have to ballpark those numbers
RC-can we do 3:30 instead of 3.
BC-I won't be here that day
G-we cannot do it sooner
RC-can you call in?
BC-yes, I can. I'll be in Utah
KS-21 St at 3:30?
Committee comments last on agenda
VI. The meeting was adjourned at 5:17 P.M.
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